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HV9990@211 on 2015年2月6日 23:10:08:Guten Abend von Hong Kong,

I was wondering did Youngman purchase VISEON after its bankruptcy? As I have heard in 2012 that Youngman was already the major stakeholder of VISEON.

To my knowledge, there was the participation of Youngman only from 2011 to 2013, it was 49%.

HV9990@211 on 2015年2月6日 23:10:08:Also it is sad to see MAN ended Neoplan's Centroliner series, which had once supplied buses for Hong Kong and local enthusiasts are impressed by its great building quality.

Oh, it surprised me a little bit. In a Wikipedia article I've read that the Neoplan Centroliner in Hong Kong are not particularly liked by the passengers, because they are more often remain lying with failures alleged. In addition, the vehicles are probably perceived as too loud.
In Germany there are many people who Neoplan considered substandard. So there were many jokes, for example such rhyming lines: "Fährst du fort mit Neoplan, kommst' zurück mit Bundesbahn.".
Translated into English means the following: "If you go with Neoplan, you'll come back by train.", but in my view that's all nonsense.

rbtxf on 2015年2月13日 01:47:09:Hi Matthias,

Somebody shared the interior pictures of Ex-SD200 on Guangzhou China in Facebook. (Source: 中華巴士紀念館-Facebook, Mike Mikhail Mike)

Thank you for pointing out the photos, there are awakened old memories. In the first picture I can see the former car number 3116, I often rode with this bus in former times.
I can show you a picture of the drivers place inside MAN SD200 from vintage 1976, photo was taken in 1990 on route 4...


In BVG 2858, Berlin-Neukölln (Weigandufer), 1990

...and also a pic from outside...


BVG 2858, Berlin-Charlottenburg (Reichsstr.), 1990.

Now it follows some impressions of the last weeks, at first a Lion's City DD with defective display...


BVG 3472, Berlin-Reinickendorf (Reginhardstr.), 2015

...then a training bus on tour...


BVG 1407, Berlin-Reinickendorf (Lindauer Allee), 2015

...and a Citaro LE on night route N50 in the rain...


2188, Berlin-Lichtenberg (Weißenseer Weg), 2015.

...followed by a bus of route M41...


3243, Berlin-Kreuzberg (Urbanstr.), 2015.

Since 23th of March, the new Scania Citywide LFDD is in service...


BVG 3094, Berlin-Spandau (Sakrower Landstr.), 2015

...if you want, you can take a virtual ride on it in the following two videos; first a ride on the upper deck...



...and then a ride in the lower- and on the upper deck...



Same day, I took a photo of this MAN/Göppel NM253 Lion's City M on route 234...


Dr. Herrmann 8405, Berlin-Spandau (Lanzendorfer Weg), 2015

...some days later these two pics of BCT route B...


BCT 3189, Berlin-Prenzlauer Berg (Schönhauser Allee), 2015

...normally the red buses are in service on route A only...


BCT 3908, Berlin-Prenzlauer Berg (Schönhauser Allee), 2015.

Into the last month, two types of buses were retired by BVG. One of it is the 15-meter single decker type by MAN, these buses were by vintage 2000...


BVG 1560, Berlin-Marzahn (Bruno-Baum-Str.), 2015

...the other type is the Solaris Urbino 18 by vintage 2003...


BVG 2858, Berlin-Weißensee (Blankenburger Str.), 2015.

The route M29 was redirected many times in the last weeks, here is one bus on one of the different diversion routes...


BVG 3423, Berlin-Kreuzberg (Kottbusser Tor), 2015

...and here two other ones on another diversion route...


BVG 3137, Berlin-Kreuzberg (Waterloo-Ufer), 2015.

The new single deckers by bus manufactor VDL are more and more present in the streets...


BVG 2345, Berlin-Treptow (Puschkinallee), 2015

...some of it got their first advertising...


BVG 2340, Berlin-Friedrichshain (Stralauer Pl.), 2015.

The bus company BVB got three new Mercedes O530 Citaro C2...


BVB 8320, Berlin-Kreuzberg (Baerwaldstr.), 2015

...and one of their Volvo B9TL / Unvi Urbis 2,5 DD got a new total advertising...


BVB 613, Berlin-Mitte (Alexanderstr.), 2015.

Now it follows a picture of route 154, the bus 3266 got a new total advertising too...


BVG 3266, Berlin-Hohenschönhausen (Falkenberger Ch.), 2015...

...then one of the Top-Tour route...


Prima-Klima-Reisen B-RR 1500, Berlin-Mitte (Alexanderstr.), 2015

...and another one of BCT route B...


BCT 3679, Berlin-Mitte (Alexanderstr.), 2015.

The last pics for today shows one MAN Lion's Coach on Meinfernbus (MFB) remote bus route 39 to Stralsund...


Brust BER-KB 6, Berlin-Prenzlauer Berg (Prenzlauer Allee), 2015

...one Setra S315H on suburban area route 893...


Sdunek BAR-CX 33, Berlin-Hohenschönhausen (Prendener Str.), 2015

...a Lion's City DD on route 158...


BVG 3316, Berlin-Weißensee (Rennbahnstr.), 2015

...and a sundown in Berlin...


Sundown, Berlin-Kreuzberg (Baerwaldbrücke), 2015.

Bye and 再见,
Matthias

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KS2234	2015年5月19日 22:28:30	+1

Have been in love with that Citywide LFDD! Any more photos on the bus?

Also, any news about the VDL Citea DD?

Great photos!

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情侶檔 on 2015年5月11日 02:36:21:Have been in love with that Citywide LFDD! Any more photos on the bus?

Also, any news about the VDL Citea DD?

Great photos!

Thank you!

Delivery of the new VDL Citea DLF is expected for June, the bus will be 11.4 meters long and equipped with two staircases. In March, the BVG published a press release, it can be downloaded in German language here. It states that the bus, as well as his one-story counterparts of the VDL Citea LLE type, is manufactured in lightweight construction and during the test phase is to determine how much fuel can be saved due to the lower weight and to what amount the emissions in this can be reduced manner.
In addition, is to be tested as well as in the Scania bus, the passenger flow. I wonder, however, what is there to be detected. Since 1979, all new double-deckers were procured with two staircases, which have to be significantly positive impact on the flow of passengers.

On the VDL homepage you can find a press release about the Citea DLF too, this is in the English language written. In it there is to see a rendering image of the rear side of the bus. This rendering was adapted by the buses news page "Modellbus-Info" (to find the article, scroll down) to a complete picture, it's to see here.

About the Scania Citywide LFDD I have already reported here in the topic in February in detail, you can find the article with many photos of the bus here.

In addition I show you two more pics of the presenting performance at the 30th of January...


BVG 3094, Berlin-Hohenschönhausen (Indira-Gandhi-Str. depot), 2015;


BVG 3094, Berlin-Hohenschönhausen (Indira-Gandhi-Str. depot), 2015.

Bye and 再见,
Matthias

Guten Tag, Ich bin BlackRainer. Dein Foto sind gut! I mag Deutschland Bus und es ist fantastisch zu Sie sein!

Hope you don't mind my bad German up there (doing UK German GCSE next month )

The pictures are very nice and hope to see more!

Can I ask how come none of the Sightseeing buses use their route display? I mean both SD81 and D92s - sure enough they can type "A", "B" on those displays and help passengers to recognise which route are the buses on.

Thanks!

Speak of Viseon, I do think that the new Hungarian Ikarus looks similar to Viseon's front design..

Ikarus V127

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BlackRainer on 2015年5月11日 18:24:40:Guten Tag, Ich bin BlackRainer. Dein Foto sind gut! I mag Deutschland Bus und es ist fantastisch zu Sie sein!

Hope you don't mind my bad German up there (doing UK German GCSE next month )

The pictures are very nice and hope to see more!

Thank you!
You can rest assured, I understand your words in the German language. Rather, I hope that my school English is understood by everyone - it determines always contain a few small mistakes.

BlackRainer on 2015年5月11日 18:24:40:Can I ask how come none of the Sightseeing buses use their route display? I mean both SD81 and D92s - sure enough they can type "A", "B" on those displays and help passengers to recognise which route are the buses on.

Thanks!

There are various reasons. The BCT is a bus company, that was founded by a Busfan who still is the owner at present and also one of the founding members of the Arbeitsgemeinschaft Traditionsbus (ATB). Compared with other bus companies in Berlin, the BCT more likely one of the smaller bus companies, so the maintenance personnel can only occasionally deal with the displays.
Thus, for those displays hardly any spare parts available, besides, I do not know the extent to which ever leave the old target displays nowadays still programmed. If the buses of the BCT in use as rail replacement bus service, for school buses or shuttle service, the displays are mostly used, because these target specifications were already programmed to times when the buses were still in the service of the BVG.
On the roll band-target displays is in the field for the route number except the digits 0-9 and as single letters the "E" and the "N" available, the retrofitting with the letter "A", "B" and "C" would be relatively cumbersome possible. But the BCT uses at least the good legible plug shields in the windows. The sightseeing buses of other companies are often marked much worse or not at all.

情侶檔 on 2015年5月28日 02:42:10:Speak of Viseon, I do think that the new Hungarian Ikarus looks similar to Viseon's front design..

Yes, that's indeed true. I haven't noticed it before.

Now it follows a report about the second new test bus for BVG. At last Tuesday, the VDL Citea DLF-114 was presented by BVG at the Cicerostraße depot...


BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...so let's have a good trip through the bus...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015.

At the front staircase is a display, which shows the vacant seats on the upper deck...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...occupied seats are displayed in red, vacant seats in green...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015.

As next the view from the center to the front part of the lower deck, on the rear side of the staircase you can see the passenger information display...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...for wheelchair users is a special folding device available for securing the wheelchair...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...and for people who are impaired in their vision, there are grooved holding rods on both sides of the exit door...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015.

The view to the rear part, beside the exit door there is the second staircase...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...then to the back...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...and from the back to the front part...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...in the lower deck there are 19 fixed seats, 4 folding seats and 28 standing places. Now let's go up...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...also here the view from the back to the front...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...at the staircases are special buttons available, which allow passengers to inform the driver, that they use the staircases - then on the dashboard lights up a corresponding lamp for 10 seconds. Below the seats there are two USB ports at each double seat...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...the monitor for passenger information is located above the windscreen...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...on the upper deck there are 46 seats available. Now a view to the driver's place...


In BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...from behind the bus looks like this...


BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015.

The new double-decker has a length of 11,4 meters, a width of 2,55 meters and the in Berlin usual height of 4,06 meters...


BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...the empty weight of the bus is 12.5 tonnes, the permissible gross vehicle weight is 19.2 tonnes and the Cummins ISB6.7 engine delivers 280 hp. The bus will be stationed first at the Spandau depot, after the performance it returned back to DAF branch in Großbeeren for final comprehensive work. The regular service is expected to begin in October on the route X34, where the Scania Citywide LFDD is already tested since spring...


BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...I like the VDL Citea DLF exceedingly well and from the first impression even much better than the Scania bus. I hope very much, that a large number of the Citea DLF will be procured, to complement the fleet of VDL Citea LLE-120 single decker type...


BVG 2339 and 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015

...to reach new heights...


BVG 3093, Berlin-Wilmersdorf (Cicerostr. depot), 2015.

Finally two short videos of the bus, at first from outside...



...and then a ride on the upper deck across the depot...



Btw: I heard, that BVG plans to test a 12,8 meter Alexander Dennis Enviro 500 in the next year - that's very good news.

Bye and 再见,
Matthias

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two days ago, Her Britannic Majesty’s Ambassador to the Federal Republic of Germany, Sir Sebastian Wood...


Sir Sebastian Wood, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

...has presented the ADL Enviro 500 in Berlin - in typical british weather...


ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

...so let's have a short trip through the bus...


ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015.

First, a look into the rear part of the lower deck...


In ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

...in the lower deck there are 25 fixed seats, 3 folding seats, 22 standing places and one place for a wheelchair. From back to the front part you have this view...


In ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

The bus has got one staircase only, it is placed behind the drivers place...


In ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

...and at the staircase there is a monitor, which shows the pictures of the cameras on the upper deck...


In ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

...so passengers have a view to vacant seats there. Now let's go up...


In ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

...49 seats are available here...


In ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015.

Now a picture of the drivers place...


In ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

...the bus has a length of 12,93 meters, a width of 2,55 meters and a height of almost 4,12 meters...


In ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015.

The permissible gross vehicle weight is 25.7 tonnes and the Cummins engine delivers 380 hp...


ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

...the Enviro 500 is stationed at the Spandau depot. In the moment it's not possible to say, when the bus is going to the planned six week passenger testrun, because due to the height a dispensation is needed for it. The bus is expected to be used on the route X34, on this route the Scania Citywide LFDD and the VDL Citea DLF-114 will be in service too.


ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015

Expecting for the next year, BVG plans a tender notice of initially about 100 new double-decker buses. Maybe, the Enviro is supposed to be a new brother of the Lion's City DD in Berlin...


BVG 3285 and ADL E500, Berlin-Mitte (Wilhelmstr.), 2015.

Bye and 再见,
Matthias

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KS2234	2015年10月19日 03:09:40	+1

Hi, 你好 and 很好的一天,

on the afternoon of Saturday, 31st of October, I visited the annual Running Day of Traditionsbus Berlin for nearly three hours. At this day, the vintage buses were in service on route 100 (and 69, this was the route number in the western part of Berlin before introducing of route 100 in the year 1990). Unfortunately, the route 100 did not reach the Alexander Place around 15 o'clock due to some traffic restrictions, only one bus had reached the place at this time...


ATB 2626, Berlin-Mitte (Alexanderstr.), 2015

...so I sat on my bike and went towards the west immediately. At Reichstag (Federal Parliament of Germany), the buses couldn't use the former terminus, located right next to the building of Reichstag, so it rested at a bus stop before the Paul Löbe Building (this building houses the offices of Members of Parliament), which was decommissioned recently...


ATB 2329, Berlin-Tiergarten (Willy-Brandt-Str.), 2015

...thus quasi in the middle of nowhere...


ATB 2329, Berlin-Tiergarten (Willy-Brandt-Str.), 2015.

At House of World Cultures, in former times it was named Congress Hall, I took a picture of this MAN/O&K SD80...


ATB 1749, Berlin-Tiergarten (John-Foster-Dulles-Allee), 2015

...also of this MAN SL200, which was powered by methanol fuel from 1985 to 1993...


ATB 1666, Berlin-Tiergarten (John-Foster-Dulles-Allee), 2015.

And I also met there the MAN/ABB ND202 3045, which represents this type of buses the first time at a running day...


ATB 3045, Berlin-Tiergarten (John-Foster-Dulles-Allee), 2015

...shortly thereafter, the Büssing DE type had placed yet in the autumn scenery...


ATB 2437, Berlin-Tiergarten (John-Foster-Dulles-Allee), 2015.

In front of the Reichstag, I photographed this 1971 built Büssing BS110V-SL, it was one of the first VÖV standard buses in Berlin...


ATB 1957, Berlin-Tiergarten (Scheidemannstr.), 2015

...one of its predecessor, the "Büssing President", contrary was still very non-standardized...


ATB 237, Berlin-Tiergarten (Willy-Brandt-Str.), 2015.

Then a meeting of two cars of the BCT, one on route A...


BCT 1813, Berlin-Tiergarten (Heinrich-von-Gagern-Str.), 2015

...and the other one on route 100...


BCT 3575, Berlin-Tiergarten (John-Foster-Dulles-Allee), 2015.

After that I visited again to 3045 at Zoo station terminus...


ATB 3045, Berlin-Charlottenburg (Hertzallee), 2015

...also there was the BCT 3776 with new total advertisement...


BCT 3776 und ATB 3045, Berlin-Charlottenburg (Hertzallee), 2015.

At the Hardenberg Place I managed a picture of the Büssing D2U...


ATB 1629, Berlin-Charlottenburg (Hardenbergpl.), 2015

...also the flame bus has started on its way again...


ATB 2329, Berlin-Charlottenburg (Hardenbergpl.), 2015.

The last photo shows again the 3045, which has worthy represented its actual predecessors, the Büssing DF type with also two staircases and three doors, which was not in service this time round...


ATB 3045, Berlin-Charlottenburg (Budapester Str.), 2015.

My next report will follow soon, it expected contains many pics of recent month, including long distance buses.

Bye and 再见,
Matthias

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BUSMAN GmbH	2015年11月10日 08:29:51	+1

Hello Berlin Skyliner, interesting to see that Alexander Dennis is entering the left hand drive market in Europe, the question is will they offer Enviro 500 buses similar to the ones used in Hong Kong - Singapore and Malaysian market which are following european specifications, or use the North American version.

The dashboard looks quite cheap compared to other European buse and as many have said in this forum, the new enviro 500/ enviro 400 design is just plain awful....

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Ms61 on 2015年11月22日 06:29:27:Hello Berlin Skyliner, interesting to see that Alexander Dennis is entering the left hand drive market in Europe, the question is will they offer Enviro 500 buses similar to the ones used in Hong Kong - Singapore and Malaysian market which are following european specifications, or use the North American version.

Last October, when the Enviro was presentet in Berlin, the european manager of ADL said, it's important to enter the european market, if ADL still wants to expand their business.

This year, Postal Car Switzerland will get their first Enviro 500 Superlo. The buses will have a height of 3,95 meter, two staricases and three doors. If Berlin wants to order the E500 in a larger number of pieces, it will be possible to adapt the bus for the Berlin specifications (height of 4,06 meter, two staircases, two or three doors). I think, the bumpers and the lights would the same like the Asian types.

Ms61 on 2015年11月22日 06:29:27:The dashboard looks quite cheap compared to other European buse and as many have said in this forum, the new enviro 500/ enviro 400 design is just plain awful....

Yes, the dashboard looks something simply designed. Especially surprised me the fact that the steering column is not covered, something like this is long gone in our buses.

By the way: I like the first two forms of the E500 very much, but I also like the facelifted E500.

Unfortunately, I am very busy at the moment, so my next report of the Berlin buses will follow in the next few days. Until then, another photo from Enviro 500 in Berlin...


B-AD 441, Berlin-Spandau (Sakrower Landstr.), 2015.

Bye and 再见,
Matthias

This year, Postal Car Switzerland will get their first Enviro 500 Superlo. The buses will have a height of 3,95 meter, two staricases and three doors. If Berlin wants to order the E500 in a larger number of pieces, it will be possible to adapt the bus for the Berlin specifications (height of 4,06 meter, two staircases, two or three doors). I think, the bumpers and the lights would the same like the Asian types.

Hello Berlin Skyliner, its true that ADL is pretty much non existent in the European Market outside of the UK. Even in Paris, where I live, the only double deckers I see on streets are sightseeing buses manufactured by Volvo and a few Neoplan Centroliner similar to those used in Hong Kong.

Then its true that British single decker buses are not really up to par compared with the Mercedes Citaros, the Man Lion CIty and even the Irisbus/Iveco urbanway.....

But being able to enter a market like switzerland and germany would be a huge boost for ADL.

BTW, any news from BVG concerning the trial of the Enviro 500MMC? the bus is still in its trial period right?