會員名稱 : E233
被處分的文章編號或連結 : 【警告】#18487　E233 viewtopic.php?p=2238982#p2238982
上訴理據 :


Well, I don't think this is absolutely fair for me. First, you guys have punished me and warn me two times within a time. You can't charge people for more than one time in one period because I am absolutely confused on what do you mean by polite or impolite. Someone offended me, and he swears at me, saying bullshit to me, well, what do you think I would have to do. I am not saying this is right to write something that offended someone, but why is it me that is being punished? People offended me, tell me that I am wrong for everything, and a guy tell me to leave just because he think I am racist. I don't think this is a fair judgement. These days, I have been working very hard on hkbf, I started writing many replies and stuff while I am here in Hong Kong (I live overseas and makes it difficult for me to log in to hkbf, the server is slow), well, no one appreciate that. The most important thing is, I can't stand people keep misunderstanding me. For my first reply, I really have no offence. But that guy than reply and tell me that I disrespect him and he swears at me, what do you think? Everyone will be unhappy, true? But you guys didn't give him any punishments, while he is the one who started that. everyone just start yelling at me and write me negative comments while they don't actually read through my whole reply. So are you guys yourself racist because you are just helping those you can write chinese and punish those you can't? Are you guys punishing me just for my frustration towards misunderstanding? Well, I am frustrated just because no-one understand what I was typing, but just start yelling at me (like those members) and like you (the adminstrator).

That's all I want to say. I just feel everyone should have the responsibility because their disrespect causes me to write these kind of reply.

兩篇警告處分並非同一原因

p#2238953在經版務人員提醒後文章(#14)仍作出人身攻擊,
而p#2238982並沒有人身攻擊而是明顯的離題
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增補:
主要考慮是明顯地會員並非討論相關的題目而係搵交來嘈

1. 該文章 (p#2238982) 是否偏離主題重心？
   5 是
2. 如 Q.2 為「是」，該回覆是否有任何重要的原因必須發出？(例如有重大迫切性需澄清他人指控以避免其個人利益或名譽受損)
   3 是；2 否

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   TobuMinamiKurihashiRailwaySta. (#3316) 就 p#2238982 按《 論壇通用規則 》第 8.9 條作出處分。
3. 該處分是否合理？
   5 是
4. 如 Q.3 為「是」，該處分的額度是否合理？
   5 否
5. 如 Q.4 為「否」，請建議合適的處分額度（即處分級別及凍結日數，如適用；注意本委員會不可通過任何加刑動議）。
   5 注意

1. 上訴人就該文章違反該規則所作的上訴成功，有關該文章違反該規則的處分改為注意。

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