PZ 8904 on 2014年9月29日 20:37:49:

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月29日 20:06:56: GU1776@34, you really don't get it do you? I don't know where you get that concept that you think I am trying to convince you to 理性討論. What those highlighted words mean, if you want to change Hong Kong, you have to have power. Politicians are always liars, no matter if they are Chinese or British. And doesn't matter if there are hundred thousands of you protesting, as long as you are not the one paying tax, your protest has no effect. If you want to change Hong Kong, you have to be a politician yourself, or be rich. Work hard and climb to a powerful post. That is when you have negotiation power. If you think some protest like this is going to change anything, I can just say you are naïve.

I can tell you that we are only students. If we don't have the 公民抗命, although we work hard, we cannot be a politicians because if no change of Hong Kong now, Hong Kong will be controlled by Communist Party and we'll cannot speak out. Sorry for 1999 english.

GU1776@34 on 2014年9月29日 20:10:46: 回樓上打晒英文既版友：
如果唔係學生企出黎，我地依加可能讀緊國教啦，果時夠有人枇死國教反唔到，政府唔會聽你地話啦，依加呢？你一日唔做，一日都唔知會唔會成功，但係，唔做就一定唔成功囉
當依加班學生Climb to a powerful post既時候，香港都變左中國啦，到時冇得救架啦，廿三條都出埋果時你救咩先？依加班四五十既又唔做野，如果佢地做學生就唔會擺晒上台啦係咪先。
呀係喎，國教都唔關你事嘅

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VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月29日 21:00:32:

PZ 8904 on 2014年9月29日 20:37:49:

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月29日 20:06:56: GU1776@34, you really don't get it do you? I don't know where you get that concept that you think I am trying to convince you to 理性討論. What those highlighted words mean, if you want to change Hong Kong, you have to have power. Politicians are always liars, no matter if they are Chinese or British. And doesn't matter if there are hundred thousands of you protesting, as long as you are not the one paying tax, your protest has no effect. If you want to change Hong Kong, you have to be a politician yourself, or be rich. Work hard and climb to a powerful post. That is when you have negotiation power. If you think some protest like this is going to change anything, I can just say you are naïve.

I can tell you that we are only students. If we don't have the 公民抗命, although we work hard, we cannot be a politicians because if no change of Hong Kong now, Hong Kong will be controlled by Communist Party and we'll cannot speak out. Sorry for 1999 english.

GU1776@34 on 2014年9月29日 20:10:46: 回樓上打晒英文既版友：
如果唔係學生企出黎，我地依加可能讀緊國教啦，果時夠有人枇死國教反唔到，政府唔會聽你地話啦，依加呢？你一日唔做，一日都唔知會唔會成功，但係，唔做就一定唔成功囉
當依加班學生Climb to a powerful post既時候，香港都變左中國啦，到時冇得救架啦，廿三條都出埋果時你救咩先？依加班四五十既又唔做野，如果佢地做學生就唔會擺晒上台啦係咪先。
呀係喎，國教都唔關你事嘅

又會你回我又回既奇怪
BTW 我諗呢位仁兄應該未試過被人 24/7 監視既感受

That's fine PZ8904. My Chinese is poor as well so it doesn't matter. 咁唔同人有唔同睇法啫。不過咁講喎, 你又唔好話班四五十唔做野, 佢哋都要返工咁你哋先有得返屋企食飽飽去抗命。所以我覺得你又唔可以怪佢哋架喎。畢竟殘酷嘅現實就係你唔揾錢就會餓死。

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月29日 23:55:58: 冇咩價唔價值觀唔同㗎喎。其實無論係民主定係普選，呢啲都係起源自中產階級，因為當時中產已經有佢哋需要嘅才富而佢哋希望可以喺精神上，社會上有更多嘅自主權。所以講渴望自由，我相信佢哋一定比你哋強。好坦白講句，你阿爸阿媽如果出黎佔中而冇去䦕工而無收入，邊到可以俾你依家輕輕鬆鬆上網同啲版友吹水？你哋一方面話我身在異地喺邊講風涼話，其實你哋自己咪又係。你有冇試過喺你阿爸阿媽立場唸過？不過好直接講句，你對社會有咩貢獻，點解社會要俾權你去投票？你唔似佢哋有交稅有返工。你一日未交稅，你一日仲返緊學，你都仲喺爭社會，父母一筆債。當你連呢少少嘢都未搞掂既時候，你有咩資格話事？記住，社會並冇欠你啲咩，呢啲唔係老奉嘅。先問自己對社會做過啲咩嘢，然後先問社會可以為你做咩嘢。談判係需要本錢嘅，咁你又有啲咩本錢？

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月30日 00:37:20: 你冇答我問題喎。我問你有咩本錢你就同我講基本法。咁你咁講基本法又冇話可以一人一票定提名lor。

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月30日 01:28:44: 轉嗰個係你喎呀生。駛唔駛我呢個自學中文嘅人教吓你閱讀理解? 我係問, 點解社會要俾呢個權利你? 亦即係話, 點解基本法制定呢一樣野俾你。同埋, "依法" 嘅定義有係乜?

ED2914 on 2014年9月30日 02:18:05:

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月30日 01:28:44: 轉嗰個係你喎呀生。駛唔駛我呢個自學中文嘅人教吓你閱讀理解? 我係問, 點解社會要俾呢個權利你? 亦即係話, 點解基本法制定呢一樣野俾你。同埋, "依法" 嘅定義有係乜?

依法咪你定義左囉，要有交稅丫嘛
冇交稅冇權利丫嘛

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月29日 23:55:58: 冇咩價唔價值觀唔同㗎喎。其實無論係民主定係普選，呢啲都係起源自中產階級，因為當時中產已經有佢哋需要嘅才富而佢哋希望可以喺精神上，社會上有更多嘅自主權。所以講渴望自由，我相信佢哋一定比你哋強。好坦白講句，你阿爸阿媽如果出黎佔中而冇去䦕工而無收入，邊到可以俾你依家輕輕鬆鬆上網同啲版友吹水？你哋一方面話我身在異地喺邊講風涼話，其實你哋自己咪又係。你有冇試過喺你阿爸阿媽立場唸過？不過好直接講句，你對社會有咩貢獻，點解社會要俾權你去投票？你唔似佢哋有交稅有返工。你一日未交稅，你一日仲返緊學，你都仲喺爭社會，父母一筆債。當你連呢少少嘢都未搞掂既時候，你有咩資格話事？記住，社會並冇欠你啲咩，呢啲唔係老奉嘅。先問自己對社會做過啲咩嘢，然後先問社會可以為你做咩嘢。談判係需要本錢嘅，咁你又有啲咩本錢？

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月30日 11:06:22: 其實我哋可唔可以現實少少。運行政府，社會本來就需要錢，冇錢邊得你咁多福利先？好喇，回歸正題，咁當所有人都有同等嘅投票權，而香港又窮人多過中產同有錢人，咁政府最尾選出黎都一定會係一個in favourable of 窮人嘅政府。呢個可能係講緊啤窮人更多嘅福利，而呢啲嘅資金就會係中產同有錢人到嗱。係，減少貧富差距係啱嘅，不過你覺得啲中產會坐喺度俾你强奸咩？到時啲中產咪又係離開香港，淨返啲窮人喺度，咁政府邊到有錢run呢啲福利？到時cut福利，減開支，增收入來源，到時咪話你一個月一萬蚊人工吖，你一個月得二千都要交税。呀，另外，上面話咁六四係咪就即係唔搞得，咁我同你講，唔係，你可以搞嘅，不過無用咁解啫。歷史已經証明咗一切。同埋，你唔好唔記得帶頭嗰幾個，吾爾開希，王丹，柴玪屋企都有返咁上下身世，俾人射死嘅係邊啲？係下低啲貧窮書生咋。

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月30日 18:42:46: 咁我想講，好多西方國家確實係唔掂囉。美國國債問題，甚至我喺澳洲，之前嘅labour government亂駛錢，都係普選制度嘅代價，呢啲你又知唔知。相反，東方國家嘅專制制度卻在呢二十年為你地帶來社會嘅繁榮。你自己睇下美國，好多時連最基本嘅福利都冇。澳洲冇錯係好多低下階層，但喺佢哋只不過係地位低，但人工唔低，所以又係另一個故事。你可以一直相信你相信嘅，但喺如果你連呢啲普選國家嘅問題都未思考過，甚至係未聽過，咁你嗰啲唔係叫相信，係叫做盲目追隨。

VolvoB12BLE on 2014年9月30日 18:42:46: 咁我想講，好多西方國家確實係唔掂囉。美國國債問題，甚至我喺澳洲，之前嘅labour government亂駛錢，都係普選制度嘅代價，呢啲你又知唔知。相反，東方國家嘅專制制度卻在呢二十年為你地帶來社會嘅繁榮。你自己睇下美國，好多時連最基本嘅福利都冇。澳洲冇錯係好多低下階層，但喺佢哋只不過係地位低，但人工唔低，所以又係另一個故事。你可以一直相信你相信嘅，但喺如果你連呢啲普選國家嘅問題都未思考過，甚至係未聽過，咁你嗰啲唔係叫相信，係叫做盲目追隨。